President Obama has 33 czars. President Bush had 45. (Here’s a quick wiki link listing them out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._executive_branch_‘czars’)

One of you mentioned that President Obama was both the “Cause and the problem” – I disagree only because a lot of these problems were in place prior to January 20. Not saying that they weren’t also there before January of 2001 when Bush took office, or there before January 1993 when Clinton took office, etc, – but it’s just not a practical statement.

Health care and paying for illegals: Here’s a vote count showing where 207 Republicans and 9 Democrats voted in FAVOR of allowing Federally funded money go towards reimbursing state hospitals for the treatment of uninsured, illegal immigrants. http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2003/roll332.xml (Representative Joe Wilson (R-SC) is one of the Aye votes, FYI) Here’s a link to info on Section 1011: http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=14201

I don’t agree with a lot of what your group says, but I don’t disagree with all of it either. I just wanted to toss in a few links to credible sources of information. Re: the Czars, it’s hard for Reps to say they’re bad for a Dem president knowing the Rep president had more. Just be careful of your details, is all. Inferring that all our problems started on Jan 20th…not overly practical. Also – stating that 2million people were in DC last weekend when that’s not the case – doesn’t lend credibility to your cause. Fortunately – someone already corrected that, so that was good to see.

Both sides accuse and both sides exaggerate. I’m all for activism. Maybe one by one we’ll all make a positive difference. I just hate it that it’s so hard for us to even talk to each other. Again – maybe one by one, we’ll start coming together, finding common ground. I think we all want the same thing – to make this country greater, to afford us all with better opportunities, better jobs, better education, etc (I agree with the person who said that education in the last 25 years seems to be going downhill – a big reason why I’m now going back to school to get a teaching degree) – we’re just going about it differently. I think we’ll begin to find agreement eventually, it’ll just take a lot of hard work on both our parts.

Thanks for reading this.

And the problem is not the government…it is YOU…the citizens of this country are to blame for what is happening to our constitution…our economy…our very way of life. People used to think in this country but now everyone has just become a media toilet. Apathy has moved in and unless people pull their collective heads out of the toilet and band together in a common cause you might as well just bend over.

And as far as political affiliations are concerned…if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…guess what…call it what you want…it’s still a duck. I’m really fed up with this labeling of everyone…it does nothing but cause more and more division of people while the ones truly running the world laugh at you.

This republican/democrat/liberal/conservative crap needs to stop…we are citizens of the united states…and unless we stop playing these games nothing is going to change.

“Those who seek to be truly free, must abolish any form of government which takes property from one in order to give to another, regardless of reason or rationale. Such a redistribution of wealth is little more than government sanctioned theft. Each man must be free to choose with whom he will share his time, his energy, his friendship, and the fruits of his labor as he sees fit. Government coercion and intervention in these areas is nothing less than tyranny.”

Here are some insights from some people who saw the truth. Presidents, authors and IRS representatives.

“The right of revolution is an inherent one. When people are oppressed by their government, it is a natural right they enjoy to relieve themselves of the oppression, if they are strong enough, whether by withdrawal from it, or by overthrowing it and substituting a government more acceptable.”
~ Ulysses S. Grant – “Personal Memoirs” (1885) ~

“Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue till they have resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they suppress.”
~ Frederick Douglas ~

“You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence.”
~ Charles A. Beard ~

“We, the People are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts — not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution.”
~ Abraham Lincoln ~

“I am a revolutionist by birth, reading, and principle. I am always on the side of the revolutionists because there never was a revolution unless there were some oppressive and intolerable conditions against which to revolt.”
~ Mark Twain ~

“In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”
~ Mark Twain ~

“Our tradition is one of protest and revolt, and it is stultifying to celebrate the rebels of the past…. while we silence the rebels of the present.”
~ Henry Steele Commager – (American educator – 1947) ~

“A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within. The essential cause of Rome’s decline lay in her people, her morals, her class struggle, her failing trade, her bureaucratic despotism, her stifling taxes, her consuming wars…”
~ Will Durant – (American historian – 1944) ~

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
~ President John F. Kennedy ~

“A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have.”
~ President Gerald Ford ~

“If there be a principle that ought not to be questioned within the United States, it is that every man has a right to abolish an old government and establish a new one.
~ James Madison ~

“Liberty has never come from government. Liberty has always come from the subjects of government. The history of liberty is the history of resistance.”
~ Woodrow Wilson – 1912 ~

“One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the evils in this world are to be cured by legislation.”
~ Thomas Reed – (Speaker of the House of Representatives – 1886) ~

“I heartily accept the motto, ‘That government is best which governs least’; … Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe– ‘That government is best which governs not at all’; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government they will have.”
~ Henry David Thoreau ~

“Our federal tax system is, in short, utterly impossible, utterly unjust and completely counterproductive [it] reeks with injustice and is fundamentally unAmerican… it has earned a rebellion and it’s time we rebelled”.
~President Ronald Reagan, May 1983, Williamsburg, VA~

Regarding Money, Banking & The Federal Reserve

“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered”.
~Thomas Jefferson in 1802 in a letter to then Secretary of the Treasury, Albert Gallatin~

“.. we conclude that the [Federal] Reserve Banks are not federal … but are independent privately owned and locally controlled corporations… without day to day direction from the federal government.”
~9th Circuit Court in Lewis vs United States, June 24, 1982~

“Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are US government institutions They are not… they are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the US. for the benefit of themselves and their foreign and domestic swindlers, and rich and predatory money lenders. The sack of the United States by the Fed is the greatest crime in history. Every effort has been made by the Fed to conceal its powers, but the truth is the Fed has usurped the government. It controls everything here and it controls all our foreign relations. It makes and breaks governments at will”.
~Congressman Charles McFadden, Chairman, House Banking and Currency Committee, June 10, 1932~

“This is a staggering thought. We are completely dependent on the commercial Banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the Banks create ample synthetic money we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied very soon.”
~Robert Hemphill, Credit manager of Federal Reserve Bank in Atlanta.~

“The Founding Fathers of this great land had no difficulty whatsoever understanding the agenda of bankers, and they frequently referred to them and their kind as, quote, ‘friends of paper money.
They hated the Bank of England, in particular, and felt that even were we successful in winning our independence from England and King George, we could never truly be a nation of freemen, unless we had an honest money system. Through ignorance, but moreover, because of apathy, a small, but wealthy, clique of power brokers have robbed us of our Rights and Liberties, and we are being raped of our wealth.
We are paying the price for the near comatose levels of complacency by our parents, and only God knows what might become of our children, should we not work diligently to shake this country from its slumber!
Many a nation has lost its freedom at the end of a gun barrel, but here in America, we just decided to hand it over voluntarily. Worse yet, we paid for the tyranny and usurpation out of our own pockets with “voluntary” tax contributions and the use of a debt laden flat currency!”.
~Peter Kershaw, author of the 1994 booklet “Economic Solutions”~

“(The Great Depression resulting from the Stock Market crash) was not accidental. It was a carefully contrived occurrence….The international bankers sought to bring about a condition of despair here so they might emerge as rulers of us all.”
~Rep. McFadden testified in Congress (1933). There were at least two attempts on his life by gunfire. He died of suspected poisoning after attending a banquet.~

“Thus corporations finally claimed the full rights enjoyed by individual citizens while being exempted from many of the responsibilities and liabilities of citizenship. Furthermore, in being guaranteed the same right to free speech as individual citizens, they achieved, in the words of Paul Hawken, ‘precisely what the Bill of Rights was intended to prevent: domination of public thought and discourse.’
The subsequent claim by corporations that they have the same right as any individual to influence the government in their own interest pits the individual citizen against the vast financial and communications resources of the corporation and mocks the constitutional intent that all citizens have an equal voice in the political debates surrounding important issues.”
~David C. Korten, in his book, When Corporations Rule the World~

And regards to income taxes…you might want to do a google search for “Freedom To Fascism” and then after you’ve gotten pissed off visit LostHorizons.com and see what others are doing to keep their money…or just keep being a lemming every april and give your money away.

Oh…and the “debt” we keep hearing about? It can NEVER be paid back or paid down….EVER! Why you ask? Because the privately owned Federal Reserve which has nothing whatsoever to do with our government and issues our “money/worthless paper” doesn’t print interest…it only prints principle. Think about it.